camillealexa ([info]camillealexa) wrote,
@ 2008-10-26 18:09:00
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Women in Spaaace!!!

This week, in solidarity with the Feminist SF Carnival and this year's host, SpaceWesterns.com, I'm going to post a couple informal interviews/conversations about women in space westerns.  This one will be with A Dude.  I hope the next one will be with An Editor, and the third will be with a Fellow Female Writer (yes -- you *can* say fellow female).  Find participation guidelines for the Feminist SF Carnival here.

SF Carnival  Blog Part I:

An informal conversation with A Dude about women in space westerns. 

 

Q - What was your first introduction to Space Westerns?  What specifically do you remember?  Movie? TV?
 

A - I don't recall reading a lot of space westerns, so most of it was television.  We didn't think of them as space westerns -- westerns in early television came about before space westerns.  As space became something cool and interesting in the 60's, with going into space and to the moon, space shows began appearing on TV, like Star Trek and Space 1999.

 

Q - What was your favorite from childhood?

 

A - I really liked Buck Rogers, though I have no idea why.  I also really liked Dukes of Hazzard, which is completely unwatchable now, so...

 

Q - What about the women in space westerns? What do you remember?

 

A - Well, they were pretty limited characters.  They got to be either the love interest or co-pilots (sidekicks).  That's at least how I remember it.

 

Q - C' MON!  Wilma Deering!  With those crazy supershiny jumpsuits and those boots and a gun?  She was HOT!

 

A - Yeah, but she never got to save the day.  She may have saved buck Rogers so HE could save the day.  But she never got to do it by herself.

 

Q - Oh.   That kind of sucks, in retrospect.

 

A - Yeah.

 

Q - How has that changed?  I mean, Kara Thrace is about as ass-kicky as it gets.

 

A - Well, if we're talking genre --

 

Q - --we're talking babes --

 

A - --in the 70's we started to get Bionic Woman, Wonder Woman, Charlie's Angels...  women began to be accepted as primary hero figures, capable of saving the day on their own.  Earth II, which was before the new Battlestar Gallactica, before Farscape, before Firefly--

 

Q - I don't remember Earth II.

 

A - Earth II came after Star Trek Next Generation.  It was the first time I remember seeing truly strong female characters in charge in a space western context.  There was still a differentiation between men doing stuff like handling weapons and machinery, and women were still like the doctors and so on, but they were also more cerebral---is that the word?  Solved things by thinking about them or talking about them or working through them, not by force.  Farscape had the first female gunslinging character

 

Q - And then followed Firefly and the new BSG... wait --  didn't Babylon 5 have something like that?  You know my TV watching history is pretty spotty...

 

A - Babylon 5 did have a female administrative ass-kicker in Commander Ivanova.  She was *very* popular.

 

Q - So, could you define a space western for me?

 

A - Hmm.  Difficult to think about it.  A space western is a story that usually evolved around central themes of lawlessness or very little law due to remoteness of location -- in this case, remote locations off-planet.

 

Q - A genuine frontier.

 

A - Yes.  Original westerns didn't take place in Boston -- they took place in the middle of nowhere.  Similar idea with frontiers in space.

 

Q - Like your great-great-something granddaddy being a Texas ranger?

 

A - I'm not sure how many greats, but yes.

 

Q - What about the appeal of space westerns?  What draws people to them?

 

A - They're about maintaining integrity in situations where no one is enforcing that integrity, nobody's forcing you to do the right thing.  Even the hero who dies while remaining true to himself (herself) is still a heroic figure.  In a frontier society you have to police yourself, always testing how far you'll go and still do the right thing.

 

Q - Does that scenario pose any special problems for women characters?

 

A - I think the modern space western has deconstructed the roles -- both antagonist and protagonist roles -- so they can be played by either gender.

 

Q - But c'mon!  Kara Thrace is far more intriguing than any male character in BSG --

 

[A -  -- second most intriguing character!  Gaius Baltar!  But after him the next four most interesting characters are all women.  In order:  Starbuck, President Rosilyn, any Six, any Boomer/8 variation.

 

Q - agreed.]

 

A - But yes!  And the women characters in Farscape as well--

 

Q - Why?

 

A - Because I think the majority of writers and developers of modern science fiction are still men, and writing female characters has become more interesting to them.

 

Q -  Like in superhero fiction. Why, though --  because it's hipper?  Sexier? What?

 

A - Because it's *new*.  It may not seem new, but it really is.  It hasn't been that long we've had women in the role of gunslinger/ hero archetype in this particular genre.

 

Q - Hmm.  I'm, ready for a fresh pint, so I guess that's it.  Thanks for your time, honey.

 

A - You're welcome.




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[info]slobbit
2008-10-27 01:48 am UTC (link)
Fun!

Cowboy Bebop is a space western. And it's got an ass-kicking chick. Too bad she's not wearing enough clothes.

Maybe if I follow my chronology through, I'll end up with space easterns . . .

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:18 pm UTC (link)
O. My. God. Space easterns!!!!!! I love this!!!!!

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[info]slobbit
2008-10-27 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh.

No.

Character bunny.

I blame you.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 11:17 pm UTC (link)
**claps hands with glee**

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[info]deedop
2008-10-27 02:03 am UTC (link)
I may have to dock A Dude a few points for not mentioning Major Kira Nerys from DS9. :-)

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Love your picture! So cute! I just read him your comment ("Honey, could you come here a second?") His answer:

"I don't think of DS9 as a space western. It has too much law, too many resources at their disposal. A space drama perhaps; not necessarily a space western. I'd lump most other Star Treks later than the original -- Next Generation, Voyager, DS9 into this category. Enterprise was closer to a space western than the others, even though they were never resource-poor. It was written in a more cowboy-adventure style, and they got around having a female character by making her Vulcan. She was more 'alien' than 'female.' "

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[info]j_cheney
2008-10-27 02:36 am UTC (link)
Earth II was good. I have it on DVD. There were at least two female construction workers that I recall in the lot, who did pretty much what the guys did.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:27 pm UTC (link)
I think I'm going to have to check out Earth II. Thanks for commenting!

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[info]todd_wheeler
2008-10-27 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Excellent interview. I haven't seen many of series mentioned; won't stop me from giving a shout-out to Farscape. Claudia Black rocked her character 'Aeryn Sun'.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:29 pm UTC (link)
She *SO* rocked her character. In the rest of our discussion, she was one of our primary examples. Rockin' indeed.

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[info]jess_ka
2008-10-27 04:48 pm UTC (link)
It hasn't been that long we've had women in the role of gunslinger/ hero archetype in this particular genre.

A Dude is correct.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:31 pm UTC (link)
I can't wait to post your interview!

PS- 'A Dude' says he's extremely pleased to have a female/fangirl of your caliber confirm his asertion.

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[info]jess_ka
2008-10-28 01:14 am UTC (link)
Am I right in guessing that A Dude is S?

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-28 01:55 am UTC (link)
I thought me calling him honey at the end was a giveaway.

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[info]steve_buchheit
2008-10-27 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Well of course Wilma Deering looked fab that spandex jumpsuit, but I have to say for my money, the dress long-sleeved short-skirt uniform was my favorite. "Oh look, it's another diplomatic mission episode, yippie!" I mean, it's not like we were watching that show (Buck Rogers) for the insightful wit of Twiggie.

And I can't believe Tasha Yar didn't come up as well.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Tasha Yar was part of that Next Generation series that leaned away from space westernism, more toward space drama (see answer upthread). She was pretty cool, though I was really annoyed (when the series orginally aired) at her abrupt removal/death. That's what she got for being 'too much' woman and starring in a non-feminine role (posing in Playboy -- right?). I always felt Yar was really marginalized as a character anyway, very under-utilized.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-27 09:36 pm UTC (link)
PS -- Twiggie was totally my favourite character, closely followed by Dr. Theopolis. I'm not even joking.

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[info]steve_buchheit
2008-10-27 11:34 pm UTC (link)
Well, I guess that just show what a well rounded show it was. It appealed to everybody in a different way.

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[info]camillealexa
2008-10-28 02:01 am UTC (link)
"Bedee bedee bedee . . . what's up, Buck?"

It still cracks me up. We used to run around doing the Twiggie voice. We'd also imitate Muffit the daggit's robotic bark from the original Battelstar Gallactica.

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